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and i think it's worth pointing it out. >> the fiscal cliff is a big deal because it's kind of like a vampire and garlic. once you go over the cliff, tax rate go up so much, anything is a tax cut beyond nat. the thing is if you're actually raising taxes from a current policy tax line, you would violate his pledge, but once they go up automatically, cutting them from there, which could still mean higher taxes than we have now, is not actually a tax hike. >> you mentioned "the godfather." they need to treat him like fredo. >> i appreciate a good "godfather" reference. number one, hillary versus hillary. here is why, because she has the whole democratic field tied up. here's her denial and james carville setting the record straight. >> i said i don't really believe that that's something i will do again. i am so grateful i had the experience of doing it before. but you know, i think there are lots of ways to serve. so i will continue to serve. >> she's an extraordinarily able person. i never met anyone i thought was a better public servant, but i have no earthly idea what she'll decide
later this week as america gets closer to the fiscal cliff. some larrymakers are now calling for a small scale deal as a temporary fix. >> i think it's impossible to get any kind of grand bargain or comprehensive package. i think we're dealing right now with whether or not we can put off the increases in tax rates. that's really all we can deal with right now. >> the house will stand in recess subject to the call of the chair. >> reporter: congress recessed after republicans rejected john boehner's compromise. he proposed letting tax cuts expire for those making over $1 million a year. other republicans say it's time for a deal. >> i agree with him. i don't think we ought to increase taxes on anyone. however, we're now at a point where we're not going to get what we think is right for our economy and our country. >> with congress coming back, the president will also reportedly cut short his holiday vacation in hawaii. democrats hope mr. obama will continue to fight for a complete agreement, not just a temporary patch. >> i definitely hope that he can and will continue to push for as big
. >>> aloha means good-bye. president obama cuts his hawaiian vacation short to deal with the fiscal cliff. it is already too late? good morning, 7:00 in the east. i'm alina cho. >> and i'm drew griffin. soledad o'brien is off today. "starting point" begins right now. >>> our starting point, a cruel one. a one-two christmas punch from mother nature. tornadoes and blizzards tearing through the south and midwest. >> oh, my god. we need to go. it's right there. >> mobile, alabama, took a real beating. a twister blowing up transformers, leaving more than 25,000 customers without power. reports to damage to homes, a high school, and church. >> it came in behind the church right there, and then all green fluorescent lighting and popping transformers left and right. and we heard the crashing and everything and the power went out. >> i prayed to god as loud as i could, and i was just praying for my safety, and i knew the church was shaking. i just prayed that the church stayed put. >> here is the other half of this story, blizzard conditions blanketing much of the midwest and the northeast will ge
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minute, but to avoid going over the fiscal cliff, to avoid taxes being raised on middle class folks and on 98% of america to avoid, in my view, a sequestration that would be very damaging to the defense and nondefense sides, there's an agreement that's possible, and, you know, there are four issues that are outstanding. each of them is bridgeable in a certain way. they are, we believe that the bush tax cuts should go up for people above $250,000 income a year. there is a disagreement on estate tax. we prefer the 2009 levels. jon would prefer something else. whether unemployment insurance is included in, we feel that's very important, and then whether you use some small portion of the revenues you gain from the tax increases to pay down sequestration per year. those would be the four areas they have to come to agreement on. there are some areas i think there is agreement. dealing with the amt patch so that middle class people don't go up, the sgr, the medicare and some tax expenditures on business and middle -- >> let's be clear here. you're talking about extending tax cuts for most
vacation short and heading back to washington before we fall off of the fiscal cliff . can a deal be reached. >> a deadly winter storm unleashing snow and tornados . now thousands ever cleaning up and holiday travelers are stuck. i am tracking where the storm ised hading next. >> thank you, rick. take the gift card and hit the stores this morning. wait until "fox and friends" is over and then leave. "fox and friends" begins right now. "fox and friends". >> gretchen: good morning, i am gretchen carlson we are joined by clayton morris . rick as well . these are great guys, but clayton, because he is a tech guru of folks news and here to help all of us today. >> tech support this morning f. you have tech-related questions. send them and i will attempt to answer them all. i answered all of them. my wife said what are you doing on twitter? i said i am helping me. >> gretchen: we have big storms brewing and rick, you are aptly sitting to the right of me and you will help people get out of town. >> 30 tornados and a big one in mobile, alabama and more tornados and a blizzard. i will try
the answers in minutes. >>> we start with optimism as a last words that comes to mind with the fiscal cliff and with just a week left for talks left, la lawmakers are saying a deal is looking less likely than ever. >> it's a first time i feel it's more likely that we'll go over the cliff than not. and that -- if we allow that to happen it will be the most coloss colossal, consequential act of congressional irresponsibility in a long time. maybe ever in american history because of the immaterial pact on almost every single american. >> what will happen to an average american paycheck in a deal is not reached by january 1st? joining me now, washington bureau correspondent hampton pearson. let's see what the average american will or won't be seeing in their pi check. >> reporter: i'm here for the lump of coal portion of the program. if there's no deal, let's look at what happens to tax rates in just seven days and these stats are from the tax policy center. the annual income from somebody in the $50,000 to $75,000, about a $2,400 increase. jumping ahead to $100,000 to $200,000, the average tax
>>> on the broadcast tonight, deadlocked, with less than four days until the fiscal cliff deadline. the president summons congressional leaders to the white house. what will it take to get a deal and prevent your taxes from going up? >>> winter blast. we're tracking yet another big storm. tonight, the latest on where it is headed and how it will impact holiday travel. >>> caught in the middle. tonight, hundreds of children and families with shattered dreams. why has the russian government banned adoptions by u.s. citizens? >>> and new revelations about ronald reagan's relationships with two of the most powerful women in the world, the queen and margaret thatcher in documents released three decades later. "nightly news" begins now. >>> from nbc news world headquarters in new york, this is "nbc nightly news" with brian williams. >>> good evening, i'm natalie morales in tonight for brian. it is down to the wire now with about 80 hours until the fiscal cliff deadline. and on what is a holiday weekend for many, that is not the case for congressional leaders in washington. there was a se
to deal with the long-term fiscal health of the country which is what the fiscal cliff was supposed to be an incentive to do, we're expecting now that this is just some measure to avert the fiscal cliff which is the tax hikes, the spending cuts, each if they deal with the spending cuts and we're waiting to see what the measure will look like. i know what a hard-hitting white house reporter you are. i want to know whether it's apple kay, pumpkin pie or peekan pie for the president and first family on christmas day. any news on the menu? >> reporter: no, i am still waiting to find out. maybe we'll find out a little later today. you don't frequently find out until they have just released it, until the white house releases the information so we'll be standing by to let you know how the president spends his holiday. nothing on his public schedule, but, you know, he normally visits with troops so we're expecting he might do that today here in hawaii. >> that would be a wonderful way to spend christmas day. brianna keilar live from honolulu, hawaii, thanks. >>> other stories in the news, a
, the spending cuts that make up the fiscal cliff. president obama, he cut his christmas vacation short to deal with this crisis. he arrived back from hawaii just a short time ago, and the senate also returning to work today hoping to come up with some kind of agreement. but time is running out. jessica yellin, she has the latest from the white house. we've got dana bash following the developments on capitol hill. i want to start off with you, dana. what do we know about a possible compromise on the senate siepd what they might be proposed in fairly short order? >> compromise, i'm not so sure we'll see that. but i was told by a republican senator and democratic senator that the pr indicated before he left for hawaii that he, the president, is expected to send a piece of legislation up today with his scaled back tax plan. that's something that the president outlined in general terms on the friday before he left for hawaii and since then what we've been hearing from republicans, particularly mitch mcconnell's office is we can't talk about whether we can pass anything until we actually see the leg
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intervention because we didn't deal with the fiscal cliff. >> michael crapo was busted. >>> "newsweek" will continue its digital format. >> if you haven't finished up your holiday shopping, don't worry. millions of americans are hitting the stores today. >> i have nothing done. i just started. >> all that -- >> i looked at the recent footage and your face and you don't look a day older than 32 years ago. >> wide open and an attack. that's three events. >> seahawks win it. seattle is in with the playoffs. >> and all that matters. >> norad will be tracking santa class as he makes his way around the worlding. >> on centimet"cbs this "cbs t >>> welcome to "cbs this morning." i'm jeff floor. there is travel trouble across the nation and on the ground in the air on this busy day before christmas. >> and the problem is a storm system that hit the west coast over the weekend. now it's moving east, threatening to cause problems all week long and anna werner is at dallas-ft. worth international parent. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, rebecca and jeff. we receive a steady stream of tra
about my voice. this may be divine intervention because we didn't deal with the fiscal cliff. >> a senator from idaho is apologizing for his dui arrest. police stopped republican mike crapo in alexandria, virginia. >> after 80 years in print, "newsweek" magazine has its last issue on stands today. it will continue its digital format. >> if you haven't finished your holiday shopping, don't worry. millions of americans are expected to hit the store today. >> i have just started. >> i looked at the research footage and looked at your face quite a bit. you don't look a day over than you did 32 years ago. >> wide open with the catch. what a shot. seahawks win it, seattle is in the playoffs. >> and all that matters. >> norad will be tracking santa claus as he makes his way around the world delivering gifts to girls and boys tonight. >> on "cbs this morning." >> from kabul, afghanistan, happy holidays! "cbs this "cbs this morning." >>> welcome to "cbs this morning." i'm jeff glor with rebecca jarvis charlie rose. gayle king and norah o'donnell are off. >>> on the gr
to avoid the fiscal cliff by the end of the year. just about every american family will see their taxes increase on january 1 unless a deal is reached. but lawmakers are expressing very little optimism so far. meantime, the president spent christmas in hawaii, visiting a local marine base, thanking more than 100 troops and their families for their service. >>> and this morning, the taliban is claiming responsibility for a suicide bombing at a major u.s. base in eastern afghanistan. three afghans, including a guard at camp chatman were killed in today's explosion. >>> and back here at home, former major league baseball player andruw jones is free on bond this morning. he was arrested near atlanta early christmas morning on a battery charge, after police responded to a call about a domestic dispute with his wife. >>> and netflix, they are apologizing for a christmas outage in its video streaming service. yes, it happened on christmas, a little untimely. it took ten hours to resolve the problem, which affected subscribers across the country. the company says it stemmed from a failure at am
on the fiscal cliff deadline on december 31st. retiring senator joe lieberman puts the potential failure in historic perspective. >> i feel it's more likely we will go over the cliff than not, and if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal, consequential act of congressional irresponsibility in a long time, maybe ever in american history. >> when i listen to the president, i think the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. i think he sees a political victory at the bottom of the cliff. he gets all this additional tax revenue for new programs. he gets to cut the military, which democrats have been calling for for years, and he gets to blame republicans for it. >> so, hey, merry christmas. our white house correspondent brianna keilar is traveling with the president in honolulu. brianna, are the white house and republicans even talking? >> reporter: no. they're not, carol. there's no substantive discussions going on between the white house and senate democrats and senate republicans and house republicans. and this is key because in order for the cliff
this fiscal cliff and we're going to deal with it over the next few days or few weeks. but unfortunately, for our country, every american's quality of life is going to be lesser than it should be because now this is going to drag on to the debt ceiling. we're going to have the same thing play out. >> the president says he's not going to play games, not going to play politics. >> i think he should lay out the reductions. we set the precedent on a dollar for a dollar, dollar increase in debt ceiling for a dollar in reductions. i actually laid out a bill to do that this week with lamar alexander. but i think what's been missing here, candy, is it appears to me that the president either lacks the courage or the will to lay out those specific things that need to happen because i assure you, if he would lay those out, the house would take it up, the senate would take it up, and we could move this behind us and we can start this next year with the wind at our back in this fiscal issue behind us like most of us would like to do. >> you know and i know that's not going to happen in the short time
of congress to come to a deal on the fiscal cliff. shultz followed up with a blog saying everyone should put the pressure on congress. >>> a cartoonist went a more pessimistic approach. a box labeled deficit crisis compromised saying do not open until with all the holidays crossed out signed by boehner and obama. >>> all featured on politico's list of the top viral videos of 2012. the politico ones, of course. here's a look back. >> in the silvery moonlight that bathes every town, the people lie dreaming so safe and so sound. they're warm in their beds, snuggled up in the sheets. but four years before, they were out in the streets. sorry, my friend, but there's no time to snore. we're all on our own if romney has his way. and he's against safety nets. if you fall, tough luck. so i strongly suggest that you wake the [ bleep ] up. >> there's only one thing that might deny us the presidency that is the god-given property of the republican party. >> the 47%? >> nope? >> caymen islands? >> nope. >> $10,000 bet, i like to fire people? >> no. it's a story about an actual shaggy dog. apparently on v
. and this is problematic obviously because in order to avoid the fiscal cliff, you would need to find some sort of deal that would make it through the senate and the house and that would need democratic and republican support. now, all eyes on the senate because they will reconvene on the 27th, thursday. and senate majority leader harry reid, it is up to him, really, to cobble together something that can get some of that support. right now the white house is still supporting a threshold of $250,000 back to their initial starting point for tax rates going up for those making more than that. but you can imagine, hala, that's going to be very hard for some republicans, maybe even some democrats to sign on to. >> right. and for just about a week ago, it was common to hear a deal will be hammered out. over the last several days we're hearing more and more that potentially this is a reality for americans in eight days' time. your sources in the administration, is there a real concern among some of the people you're speaking with that indeed this fiscal cliff will become a reality? >> i thi >> reporter: i thi
whether a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff is in the works or out of the question. in what passes for a sign of hope, senate staff members spent saturday shuttling papers presumably containing proposals between harry reid and mitch mcconnell's offices. both the senate and house are meeting today. joins me touk at that about where things stand is darrell issa of california and done nan edwards and michigan senator debbie sab snow and jon ba wrasse o from wyoming. what's up? what is happening that you can tell us about? >> well, there's a lot of work going on right now on both sides of the aisle in the senate to come to an aagreement. to me there's take basic principle, and if everybody agrees we can go forward. that is, don't hold middle class families hostage to the debate about whether or not the wealthiest americans should get another tax cut. i would argue we can't afford it as a country, but the question is, are we going to allow middle class families to see their taxes go up while we have this debate? if we can agree we will continue tax cuts for the middle class, everything else begins
obvious. the prospect of reaching a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff before january 1st is very unlikely. that's putting it lightly. let's watch. >> there's 435 members of the house. what goes on in this country shouldn't be decided by the majority. it should be decided by the whole house of representatives. the speaker just has a few days left to change his mind, but i have to be very honest, mr. president, i don't know timewise how it can happen now. >> well, that was plain. this afternoon senate minority leader mitch mcconnell said he wasn't willing to offer the white house a blank check just because we're on the edge of the cliff. take a look. >> last night i told the president we'd be happy to look at whatever he proposes, but the truth is we're coming up against a hard deadline here, and as i said, this is a conversation we should have had months ago. and republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> well, actually it's not a blank check the president has been pushing. and this i
of snow on the ground in the lower 48 than last year. >>> next, just six days until the fiscal cliff. the clock is ticking and it's not just about taxes. ahead, what else is at risk if a deal isn't reached in washington? >>> and the latest on former president george h.w. bush. an update on his condition is next. trust duracell to power their donated toys? duralock power preserve. it locks in power for up to 10 years in storage. guaranteed. duracell with duralock. trusted everywhere. i'm going to dream about that steak. i'm going to dream about that tiramisu. what a night, huh? but, um, can the test drive be over now? head back to the dealership? [ male announcer ] it's practically yours. but we still need your signature. volkswagen sign then drive is back. and it's never been easier to get a passat. that's the power of german engineering. get $0 down, $0 due at signing, $0 deposit, and $0 first month's payment on any new volkswagen. visit vwdealer.com today. advil pm® or tylenol pm. the advil pm® guy is spending less time lying awake with annoying aches and pains and more time asle
one week left before the country goes over the fiscal cliff. your taxes will soar if congress and the president can't reach a deal. so steve is live for us in washington with the very latest. all right, good morning to you, steve. >> good morning, gretchen. yeah, the house as you know, tried and failed to pass some kind of a compromise on that fiscal cliff. now the spotlight falls on the u.s. senate. some kind of deal could have a better chance there because the senate is not as bitterly divided as the house. success depends partly on whether mitch mcconnell decides to filibuster any legislation. there is senate republicans who are willing to compromise in order to avoid the fiscal cliff. including kay bailey hutchison of texas and johnny isakson of georgia. >> time is running out. and the truth of the matter is, if we do fall off the cliff after the president's maturitied, he'll come back, propose just what he proposed yesterday in leaving washington and we'll end up adopting it. why should we put the markets mn such turmoil and the people in misunderstanding or lack of confi
a deal to avoid the massive automatic tax hikes and spending cuts known as the fiscal cliff. >> president obama spent christmas day visiting with troops in hawaii. >> while back in washington uncertainty about the looming fiscal cliff continues. there has been to communication between republicans and democrats about how to avoid going over the cliff. before the christmas break, speaker john boehner was unable to get enough support from respects to pass his plan and help said it was up to the white house and the senate to avert the cliff. so now harry reid is believed to be crafting a plan of his own. it's expected to extend bush-era tax cuts. it would also include short-term spending cuts instead of the massive cuts that would occur if there is no deal. it would also patch up the alternative minimum tax that will hit even more middle class families and schedule a drop off for doctors. >> if republicans do give in and support the deal being put together by harry reid that deal is expected to be far less favorable than the potential deal they had been work
of a deal are fading quickly. just two trading days left until the cliff. and it's not just the fiscal cliff. wind farms and dairy are set to get hit. >> the ports of the east coast and gulf coast are bracing for a potential strike. the potential for this, midnight sunday with a shutdown threatening to threaten 20% of the cargo traffic. >> and instagram feeling the sting of the flap around privacy with users, fleeing the site. how will this impact facebook? >> as we mentioned, dennis berman, "wall street journal" market place editor is joining us here on set once again for the next hour. good to have you back, dennis. lots to talk about between the cliff and other news. >> three days before the u.s. goes over the fiscal cliff, congressional leaders will meet with the president this afternoon. i remember standing on the white house north lawn last month, after leaders met with the president back then. things looked pretty promising. here's what they said after that meeting. >> i believe that the framework that i've outlined in our meeting today is consistent with the president's call for a fa
to head off the fiscal cliff. there appears to be new optimism that a deal could be struck. we're going to get more from our chief white house correspondent major garrett who's at the white house. major, good morning again. nice to see you. where do things stand? >> good morning. well rebecca, the president said yesterday he's modestly optimistic as did the senate democratic leader. let's face reality. optimism and hope don't equal a bill and as of yet there's no bill. they're said to work today to try to compromise and what's the real sticking point? at what income threshold in america? right now the president wants higher income tax rates for every household earning $250,000 or more. there's bail -- a bill in the senate. if they can reach an accommodation with the white house instead of democrats that may be the deal that they look at tomorrow, but so far the negotiations i'm told this morning are not proceeding well and some sense of optimism that was springing up yesterday may be facing those harsh reality this morning. >> do we know, major, what some of the s
met for just over an hour. now, earlier in the fiscal cliff talks, meetings like this had tended to be tense and nonproductive but this meeting gave rise to hopes of a last-minute deal. for the first time in weeks president obama reported genuine progress to averting some part of the so-called fiscal cliff. >> i'm modestly in agreement we'll achieve. >> they're now chasing a much smaller deal than originally sought. the final product if there is one will not include trillions in debt reduction or federal spending or tax code reform. it won't even include across the board spending cuts. it will focus on tax rates and a few spending items. >> that's the bearare minimum we should be able to get done. >> sidelined for now. house speaker john boehner. as they left they sounded like they were closing in on a compromise. >> think it was a very positive meeting. there was not a lot of hilarity in the meeting. everyone knows how important it is. >> we'll be working hard to try to see if we can get there in the next 24 hours, and so i'm hopeful and optimistic. >>
. real nut he's cutting it short, heading home later this week to bu heading hothe fiscal cliff as well. lor:lor: nancy, the white house ouses they have a much better chance dealing with reid as opposed to boehner? >> well, jeff, essentially they're hoping-- democrats are-- that republicans will consider piis plan even if they don't rike it the last train leaving the station so that even if this is not the package that republicans would have chosen, en,t they'll vote for it anyway vote fe otherwise taxes will go taxor everyone on january 1. >> glor: nancy cordes in hawaii. nancy, thank you. the fiscal cliff could mean severe cutbacks and layoffs in cliff couelds, like many medical research. that's forcing leaders to make mugh choices right now. here's wyatt andrews. he andreporter: professor kerri mowen, like hundreds of medical kerearchers, has already fallen off the fiscal cliff. her budget-- which relies on of federal grants-- is being cut by - % now as the n.i.h.-- the national institutes of health-- prepares for the possibility of utes of hes later. >> it's much bigger than just my
the fiscal cliff. meanwhile, president obama cut his hawaii vacation short to return to washington today. but has he been working on a deal? "outfront" tonight, reports from both ends of pennsylvania avenue. chief white house correspondent, jessica yellin, and senior congressional correspondent, dana bash. jessica, first, to you, the president's back in washington, wheels down. he left his christmas vacation early. but was this just a bit of showmanship, or has he been working on something specific? >> reporter: hey, john. well, today has been a bit of a quiet day here at the white house. publicly, the president has been scarce, no sign of him. behind closed doors, i'm told a few meetings internally, but mostly, relatively quiet. i expect we will see more from the president, perhaps we could even see him publicly tomorrow. perhaps he could even meet with or talk to some of the congressional leaders. the president's role in all of this, he can get each of the leaders to come closer on what the white house believes is already, pretty clearly, the framework for a final deal, and he can also
one week to go, and there's still no deal preventing the economy from going over the fiscal cliff. members of congress are pointing fingers over who is to blame for the lack of progress to prevent tax hikes and spending cuts. connecticut's independent senator joe lieberman expects congress to work right up to the deadline. but he's not even sure that's going to be enough. >> it's the first time i feel it's more likely we will go over the cliff than not, and if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal consequential act of congressional er responsibility in a long time. >> the president and congress are due back later in the week. one possibility is a partial deal on taxes while putting off an agreement on spending, kicking some of the can down the road once again. >> and that seems to be what congress is good at. no problem ever gets solved. there's no grand bargain. seems like we just do a little bit and then say oh, we'll get it by the fall. and nothing substantive really gets done. it's a sad state of affairs. this is the result of when folks cannot take off the par
on this fiscal cliff, i think a lot of republicans will move towards that $250,000 number. 24e may not like the president's deal or his approach, but both sides want to extend middle class tax rates. that's the key. both parties agree they want to extend to a certain threshold middle class tax rates. it's all about where that ball ends pup. >> so you think republicans will go for $250,000. >> i don't think the republican leadership will agree on $250,000, but you will see as many republicans move towards $250,000, maybe a scattering in the senate, a scattering in the house, because at the end of the day they want to extend as many rates as possible. >> but, richard, the real question here, they don't have to agree to $250,000 but they have to let a vote happen on $250,000. in of that case mitch mcconnell would have to agree not owe filibuster and speaker boehner would have to allow the bill to come to the floor. it's 9 process disagreements. >> i may not be the only person who is getting confused on the optimist/pessimist signals. let's listen to what we heard from a couple senators. first
from going over the so-called fiscal cliff. they say if president obama and congress don't make a deal we will almost certainly see a recession. do you buy that, steven? >> the congressional budget office is a nonpartisan group that does this and says we will in fact have an immediate rescission. they say that we come out of a short, sharp recession stronger than we would be if we didn't go into that recession in the first place. we stop borrowing money from the future to prop us up now. we have the immediate problems but in the long term we are in gets shape. that's what they are grappling this. how do they best structure this to do the least amount of damage now but get us to the good economy in the future. >> reporter: if you look up a research paper from the president's own economist you'll find in the long run we are healthier, short run, yeah, it's painful. is that what motivates some of the republicans that, you know, what are called chuckle heads, but maybe in the end they are wisdom heads. >> that is certainly part of the motivation there. the other part of the motivation, and
john boehner were working on a much bigger package obviously, not just to avoid the fiscal cliff but to try and tackle the long-term fiscal health of the country, trying to overall it was expected to raise some taxes, try to deal with entitlement reform and tax reform, those other big things like entitlement reform and tax reform get kicked into the new year, dana, so it's the gift that keeps on giving on this cli clifftmas. >> taking this pretty far. one of the key questions is whether or not senate democratic leader harry reid will be able to get enough republicans in the senate to vote on anything that will keep taxes low and maybe cut some spending. is the white house optimistic enough that the president might come back early to -- maybe he thinks he might have something to sign? >> i think it is expected that the president will come back early. probably whether or not he has something to sign because -- because obviously he's going to have to even maybe be twisting arms and lobbying some senators in his own party. the big question right now is what is this measure that he wi
be going off the fiscal cliff. he and others have said all along that there would be this fighting but right up to the deadline. they have finally come up with some sort of a deal. lieberman and others on the hill saying they think we may in fact go off the cliff. rattle the markets as you suggested, jamie. lieberman also believes the senate will be in session on new year's eve. going right up against the end of the year deadline to try to work this out, jamie. >> jamie: if any news breaks i know you will bring it to us. live from honolulu. washington is not the only one thinking about the fiscal cliff. it turns out that the concerns about it or affecting how much people are spending this holiday season. analysts saying overall sales are down from last year. it's not just the economy though. they say people just don't feel like spending as much. many still feeling the wake of super storm sandy. also those recent shootings in colorado and connecticut. because of the low sales predictions. retailers are banking on last-minute shoppers to boost their bottom lines but experts say they
? >> the fiscal cliff puts it in jeopardy. many are afraid to invest in their business and hire new workers. make plans. >> no longer vetting a deal is done by new year's eve f. one comes by early january definitely a possibility. the economic impact should be minim minimal. if one comes later than that the damage to the economy is already done and you will see more talk of recession and analysts started cutting the earnings growth in the fourth quarter. >> one thing they don't like is uncertainty. apple released a new product and there will be another new product. >> now that you got them under the christmas tree. a man who has been right predicting apple products before a 5th generation ipad will look like the mini but some what thinner narrower and shorter than a regular ipad so not as small. apple is working on another generation of the ipad mini. it could be two new products. >> we could have just wasted our money at christmastime. >> sales were down from what was expected. >> yeah, the holiday shopping season a disappointment. the first tally on the sales is now in. spending polls said down
negotiations and john boehner and senate leader are working on a deal this morning to avoid the fiscal cliff, or as chris hayes and i call it, the fiscal curve. the deadline is soft. it's not like every american is going to be handed a bill on january 1st and there's way to manage the damage if the country goes over. the senate is set to convene this afternoon with the house to follow tonight. there's a chance that a compromise will be reached, less than 48 hours before tax rates revert to their clinton dasher are levels and board across the board spending cuts talk effect. when the president took to the podium friday afternoon to urge the law enforcements to get their act together with he didn't exactly project confidence. >> this is deja vu all over again. america wonders why it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything always has to wait until the last minute. we're now at the last minute. and the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. >> this may be why the pr
ago with three days to go before we go over that proverbial fiscal cliff. they are meeting with the president and the treasury secretary timothy geithner, and they are trying to hash out a deal. but reports that the president has nothing new on the table has ended up spooking wall street in a big way just in the last hour, and as bill said we finished down near the lows of the day, down about 157 points for the dow. settling up right now. down what, about 165 at the very low, bill? >> i think so, yes. >> and the nasdaq finishing down 25 points and the s&p off by 15, a fifth straight day in the red. well, it is the last friday of 2012. it's in the books. check. still no deal in sight and no new offer either on the table from the president as eamon javers told us a little while ago. what now for the markets? we have our guests and our very own rick sell sebak with us. rick, let me get to you, first of all, because you're here on the set. what now for the markets? >> what now for the markets? it's going to be up or down dramatically which makes it challenging for all investors
. unfortunately, they agree that going over the fiscal cliff is now a real possibility. you got the democrats, the white house republicans. they all say it is possible they're not going to reach a deal to avoid the massive tax increases and spending cuts that will take place in just eight days brianna keeler is in honolulu. i'm not going to tease you about hawaii being a junket, because i know it's hard work and you're doing something. >> thank you. >> absolutely. i'm a little jealous of the water and backdrop and sand. never mind. i won't hate here. tell us, are there any conversations that are going on between the president, the republicans, the democrats, anybody to aavoid the fiscal cliff? >> reporter: well, this is what may be alarming to learn, suzanne. obviously, the white house is always in concert with senate democrats. there's always an open line of communication there, but there are really no substantive discussions going on with the white house and senate democrats with republicans both in the house and the senate. that may seem troubling at this point, because obviously eyes are
. the decreasing chance we may fall off the fiscal cliff has americans worried. 3 in 5 said that's the reason they are spending less. in another survey 1 in 4 shoppers say higher taxes mean smaller holiday budgets. a ho hum christmas may mean tough times for the economy but ef with one more shopping day until christmas. the retail industry and the economy may depend on whether record traffic transforms into real spending. back to you. >> how about this for a jobs program. law enforcement positions now going to ordinary citizens not those sworn in, just ordinary citizens. we will tell you where it is happening and how it's working out. [ male announcer ] wouldn't it be cool if we took the already great sentra apart and completely reimagined it with best-in-class combined mpg, and more interior room than corolla and civic? and a technology suite with bluetooth, navigation and other handy stuff? yeahthat would be cool. introducing the all-new nissan sentra. it's our most innovative sentra ever. nissan. innovation that excites. now get a $169-per-month lease on a 2013 nissan sentra. ♪ >> in ind
work done? tell us a little bit about the fiscal cliff here. we know the senate is going to come back on thursday. do we expect the presidt to come back to washington and deal with trying to avoid these tax increases and the spending cuts? >> it really does sound like he'll be coming back, suzanne. it is not official. the white house hasn't put out a schedule update. it seems to be more a matter of when he is coming back rather than if. the senate will reconvene thursday. all eyes there as senate majority leader harry reid tries to cobble together something that can get some republican support. we'll be waiting to see exactly when president obama is coming back but we understand that the senate even though it reconvenes on thursday may not, senate democrats may not roll out a bill until closer to the new year. also get some republican support and put pressure on the house to take it up. >> we'll be following that very closely. have a wonderful christmas and of course we'll talk with you a little bit later. if there are any developments on the fiscal cliff. stay with cnn for any moveme
old. kelly: we are now just seven days away from going over that so-called fiscal cliff and when automatic tax hikes and spending cuts kick in. there are several different ways this drama could play out on capitol hill to the white house. from no deal at all to a big agreement just in time, just in the nick of time i should say but those are not the only scenarios out there. brad blakeman, former deputy assistant to president george w. bush. stephanie max he willwell, democratic strategist and columnist. they join us to shed light on this. what are we going to do about the fiscal cliff when it is looming so -- if they do something about it and get back to congress this week as they're supposed to do. do they have enough time to get it done? >> i don't know if they have enough time to get it done, if republicans in the house are not willing to make any substantive concessions. and that means that they need to listen to what american voters said in november and raise the tax rates on the top 2%. that is what everybody voted for and that's what we want. and so i think that republica
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